Curse

Nude Nira · Jun 01, 2008, 03:35 PM // 15:35

CoP spike is FTW!!!!
I'm pretty sure it can clear Urgoz/FoW faster than Ursan can...

Tyla · Jun 01, 2008, 03:36 PM // 15:36

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Originally Posted by fenix

[Cry of Pain]

Shame it's bugged so it gives the damage all the time. Nerf imo, Mesmers are overpowered in PvE.

It can be used by any profession. Moar imbalancez!

fenix · Jun 01, 2008, 03:37 PM // 15:37

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Originally Posted by Nude Nira

CoP spike is FTW!!!!
I'm pretty sure it can clear Urgoz/FoW faster than Ursan can...

It can't, people tried. It's weakness is the complete lack of defense, so it just explodes unless you carefully aggro. Ursan doesn't, you can aggro the whole world...

Sir Pandra Pierva · Jun 01, 2008, 03:37 PM // 15:37

but so can ursan oh the imba

Stormlord Alex · Jun 01, 2008, 04:09 PM // 16:09

So a crappy DSlasher without DSlash and SY! is better than Ursan?

'kay

/agree with pretty much everyone else in this thread

Magikarp · Jun 01, 2008, 04:28 PM // 16:28

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Originally Posted by fenix

It can't, people tried. It's weakness is the complete lack of defense, so it just explodes unless you carefully aggro. Ursan doesn't, you can aggro the whole world...

how do you figure? it's untied, independent, and works entirely on its own regardless of profession.

for all it's worth, 8 monks could run it so long as one packs the lead hex.

beat THAT URSAN!

Antheus · Jun 01, 2008, 04:31 PM // 16:31

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Ursan doesn't, you can aggro the whole world...

Ironically, Ursan is overpowered since mesmer is "useless" in PvE.

Just add a mesmer with, say, Diversion to every group of mobs. Then we can talk how overpowered it is.

If Ursan is the greatest, why do people need a terra tank for UW?

I would really really love to have Ursan in PvP. The mesmers would be grinning ear to ear.

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how do you figure? it's untied, independent, and works entirely on its own regardless of profession.

for all it's worth, 8 monks could run it so long as one packs the lead hex.

beat THAT URSAN

This build is great. I has only one problem: Skill bar has 7 skills too many.

Abedeus · Jun 01, 2008, 04:42 PM // 16:42

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Originally Posted by Antheus

Just add a mesmer with, say, Diversion to every group of mobs. Then we can talk how overpowered it is.

Mesmer mobs = overpowered (Wind Raiders)
Mesmer players = underpowered (e-denial vs players is badass, e-denial vs mobs is craphole).

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Originally Posted by Antheus

If Ursan is the greatest, why do people need a terra tank for UW?

Because they fail. Why do people need a terra tank or ursans for UW anyway?

Magikarp · Jun 01, 2008, 04:51 PM // 16:51

mesmers will almost always hold that bad rep of "not as good in pve as the other classes", but i'll take my FC over SR and Energy Storage any day

zwei2stein · Jun 01, 2008, 04:51 PM // 16:51

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Originally Posted by Antheus

If Ursan is the greatest, why do people need a terra tank for UW?

They dont *Need* terras, terras are there purely to speed run up. You are aware that main ursan group operates independently over terras, right? They are basically 6-maning most of UW in HM. Must be weak skill they use.

Besides, something tells me that if somone compromises only *one* build to do seccond hardest quest in HM, it does not exactly mean that whatever other thing they use is really weak.

Carboplatin · Jun 01, 2008, 04:57 PM // 16:57

a snared ursan is useless.

its just because FoW and UW mobs are too weak to do anything. the occasional SS is the only thing that hurt them a little due to the spamming of skils.

Skyy High · Jun 01, 2008, 06:40 PM // 18:40

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Originally Posted by fenix

There is LOTS better than Ursan Skyy High, this just isn't it...

I didn't say there weren't, I was just comparing the OP's build to Ursan.

And while one DSlasher-er may be better than 1 Ursan, 6 Ursans are better than 6 DSlashers. Chaining SY! is rather useless when 6 people are shouting it at once, and though the DPS may be greater, you are shut down easily by most high-end mobs, and you have less health and armor than an ursan.

Is it possible to put together a team build that works better than ursanway? Yes, definitely, but the time you spend putting it together and the skill required to run such builds is inordinately greater than the time spent organizing ursanway, and the skill required to run an ursan....which is the main reason why people say it's OP-ed.

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Also, shout-range weakness is fail compared to Enfeebling Blood :P

No, it really isn't. Shout range > nearby range. Instant cast, zero cost > 1 second cast, 1 energy and 10% hp cost. Built-in orders buff for all teammates > no other effects. Enfeebling Blood is just not comparable to Ursan roar, provided of course that you have a team chaining roar, which really isn't that hard to do.

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Originally Posted by Antheus

If Ursan is the greatest, why do people need a terra tank for UW?

Please have a clue before talking about something, thanks.

angmar_nite · Jun 01, 2008, 06:52 PM // 18:52

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Originally Posted by Skyy High

Is it possible to put together a team build that works better than ursanway? Yes, definitely, but the time you spend putting it together and the skill required to run such builds is inordinately greater than the time spent organizing ursanway, and the skill required to run an ursan....which is the main reason why people say it's OP-ed.

I dunno. My guild doesn't take long to get the supports, imbagons, godmodes, monks, orders etc. sorted out. Faster than most ursan teams spend squabbling bout cons.

Snow Bunny · Jun 01, 2008, 07:08 PM // 19:08

That build sucks shit.

Why is there even a thread on this?

Tab · Jun 01, 2008, 07:13 PM // 19:13

I've been lead to believe that the OP is a Strong McEuro.

Airstu · Jun 01, 2008, 07:40 PM // 19:40

OP = fail

/closethread

Cathode_Reborn · Jun 01, 2008, 07:59 PM // 19:59

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Originally Posted by fenix

It can't, people tried. It's weakness is the complete lack of defense, so it just explodes unless you carefully aggro. Ursan doesn't, you can aggro the whole world...

That really sounds like a case of bad monks. And seeing how anyone can go x/Me and use Cry of Pain without even using any attribute points, it also sounds like people think they can just slap CoP on their bar and score easy wins.

Ele/Me can bring wards/blind, P/Me can bring "TNTF", N/Me brings antimelee junk, Mo/Me heals/prots of course, Rt/Me helps with the partywide heals. Doesn't have to be exacly like that of course, but the point is if plenty of people have some kind of defense, stuff should be easy.

CoP changes your 2ndary (if not a Mes) and takes up only 1 skill on your bar. Now the 1-skill thing is good, right? Of course it is but, that's bad for average pug'er - they need someone to hold their hand and fill in the blanks because they don't know how. Ursan does that for them. It gives them damage/defense with 1 elite skill so they don't have to do any thinking.

Still, I really doubt Ursan could outdo a good CoP team - You just can't argue with a 1/4cast area-wide 100dmg skill.

Nightmares Hammer · Jun 01, 2008, 08:48 PM // 20:48

Yes you can out-damage Ursan. Yes that is a shitty build.

Magikarp · Jun 01, 2008, 09:01 PM // 21:01

out of everything that could come from this thread, please stop the excessive flaming guys. personally attacks on the OP are pointless and immature, no matter how awful the build is (which it is, im not defending that aspect lol).

i think the mods should probably come and close this anyhow

Aba · Jun 01, 2008, 09:06 PM // 21:06

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OP = fail

/closethread

I second the motion!